A Link To This Blog On PF

128 COMMENTS

 

Stefan
There’s a new thread “When Sociopaths Pretend Like “Nothing is Wrong” After Deliberately Upsetting You” where a new user is questioning the PF-philosophy.

Phoenix writes in this thread: “I personally feel that any interaction with @sychokarma may well be heading for the META board any time soon as their username, IMHO, says it all for good reason! As in reverse meaning! “

FEBRUARY 9, 2016

 

Lisa
Whoa, Frustrated church lady type, or what? Phoenix is a piece of work. I picture her wearing sensible shoes, dowdy knee length skirt, a tea stained cardigan, with a lemon sucking rictus of a mouth.

Freshly banned from her local Anglican church’s women’s guild, for strenuously objecting to pizza party night for young parishioners, she had to find something to do with her time and multiple talents.

Thank God Peace waltzed into her life!

JUNE 18, 2016

 

Maria
LOL.

It must be difficult to be so uptight at all times and see danger in anything that moves.

By the way, I was casually reading an update on PF today – they want to delegate more “disciplinary” powers (their words, not mine) to long time members.

Mind you, some are as vicious as the moderators. Or more.

JUNE 18, 2016

 

Lisa
‘Disciplinary Powers’ granted to senior members! LOL X 2! Are the mods and ‘Peace’ preoccupied with writing their very own, ‘Mein Kampf’?? leaving Phoenix, their own dowdy Himmler in charge?

I wonder if other dedicated senior followers will continue to perform their role as dedicated ‘Geobels’ on the Amazon review site for his book.

And that’s pronounced ‘Gerbils’ in English. And whereas the Pied Piper led the rats out of Hamlin. Peace leads his gerbils, down a rabbit hole of obsessive rumination.

Mixed myth and fact, but you know what I mean.

JUNE 18, 2016

 

Maria
Now it’s no longer security and protection, it’s “discipline”. Imagine the arrogance.

JUNE 18, 2016

 

Maria
Everything is a psychopathic ”giveaway” there, isn’t it? User names, avatars, the colour of one’s hair. Maybe the Meta goddess is hungry and needs appeasing. When I was active I hadn’t quite understood the meaning and use of the Meta board so I never used to read it. It was a proper sub-forum however, with dozens of threads.I wonder now if there are daily targets and how long after one is banned people continue to throw stones on such threads.

FEBRUARY 10, 2016

Lisa
I spelled Goebels incorrectly! Woops. There’s a psychopathic giveaway for you! Ever noticed P’s always spell Nazi names the wrong way. Always.

JUNE 18, 2016

 

Maria
Yes. And they also have the same political inclinations, like the same music and perhaps share certain astrological signs. They also blink at the same rate, snore at the same volume and like the same toppings on a pizza. And whatever members can come up with.

JUNE 18, 2016

 

Lisa
Oh, here’s a good one…another psychopathic ‘tell’. P’s don’t dream. Nope. They do not experience REM sleep. Extensive anecdotal evidence supports the fact that they have a biological on/off switch, rather like robots or perhaps, an alien race, possibly crocodiles.

Good Lord…like Christ in a sidecar! If people don’t dream…ever, they die. Contrary to popular belief, sleep deprivation doesn’t kill because of a lack of stage 4 or deep sleep, but because of REM deprivation.

Ever notice how ‘your’ P puts his pants on, one leg at a time? They ALL do this. It’s creepy. After a night of non dreaming, this is what they do, probably to unnerve their poor families. And don’t get me going about how they brush their teeth!

JUNE 18, 2016

 

Maria
They’ve also disabled registrations until July, I assume until they figure out how the new system will work with “disciplinary powers” and all. What’s for sure is that the more mods they unleash, the more sudden bans will occur, since the usual report-happy members won’t even have to go through the trouble of reporting anymore.

JUNE 18, 2016

 

Maria
Just checking; they banned that member already, after 30 posts. Reading through the thread… this is a prime quality demonstration. Thanks for that.

So first this user asked them how can they tell the difference, with precision, between an asshole and a psychopath. They felt outraged by the question.

Then some started picking on him/her using the nickname, presumed passive aggressiveness when wishing someone to ”be well” and even the fact that he/she withdrew temporarily from the discussion due to a meeting he/she was supposed to attend. (By the way, this is something they do all the time on PF, writing aggressive messages ending in a ”love heart”, so if you’re not familiar with their particular style you’re never sure if they were really being confrontational or just coming on too strong. I found it very confusing. So… projection again.)

Then the new member was directly compared to ”somebody’s P”, who would also ”vanish during discussions claiming to have to go to meetings” (paraphrasing).

Then the very nice person you mention above added something like ”don’t come back, we don’t want explanations or apologies from you”. And she encouraged other members to send reports. After the new soon-to-be-former member replied later, still fairly politely, he/she was banned, presumably after another spitting contest on the Meta board.

Apologies and reports for what? For asking questions and for having a life?

Good grief. Beyond ridiculous. Asylum Ltd.

Here is a link in case someone wants to read it.

FEBRUARY 10, 2016

 

Stefan
“If you have any kind of concern about anything on PF, then you have the opportunity of reporting your concern by pressing the black triangle within that particular post to give and explain your feelings and/or concerns.” (Phoenix)

A black triangle? Sounds like dark triangulation.

FEBRUARY 10, 2016

 

Maria
In this case, the concern would have been ”this member dared to question our rationale (as they no longer have an individual one) and after more of our explanations only seemed half-convinced”.

In fact, if you show the tiniest trace of doubt, you’re thrown out of the church.

The thread goes on by the way, as normal, with no one bothering to acknowledge that a member was picked on and banned there for no reason, like a road side bullying scene everyone walks right past. Quite something.

FEBRUARY 10, 2016

 

Maria
This is funny as fuck.

https://www.psychopathfree.com/showthread.php?45921-New-PF-forum-on-the-way!

”Better security and weirdo detection”

What else do they want, aside from what they already get (without your permission, of course)?
Your credit rating, your grandmother’s maiden name, your last rectal exam?

They already ban people after one or two posts for doubting their understanding of psychopathy.

Or for accounts they might have on other forums (which is none of their business, by the way; they are not the Immigration Office to try to determine when and where someone told the truth. It’s the internet. If you can be a troll and a weirdo, so can they.

Except you don’t go look up their house addresses, browser activity or the kind of porn they watch.

I’m not sure how far this checking of one’s browser history goes, but it’s certainly an alternative explanation to the exchange of info with other forum admins in order to find ”troublemakers”. If they can see whether you’ve visited other forums recently, that would make things much easier. Except a former member (or even mod; I can’t remember who said this) confirmed they were actively collaborating with other forums.

MARCH 1, 2016

 

Lisa
I think they might be colluding with the invasive saucer group that Thomas Sheridan references. The woman who runs it is a loose cannon was in trouble with the law, for seriously stabbing someone, when she was a young woman.

This was some time ago and we were all weird when we were young, I guess, but stabbing crosses the line. Not to say, she would be so inclined or would hurt anybody physically now, but her history indicated extreme caution is needed when dealing with PF forums, if, as is rumoured, they are in cahoots with her. Impersonally feel she is vendetta prone, herself and has a mean streak.

A link between the two, providing again, that the rumours are accurate, indicate a galling lack of discernment, on the part of the core PF group.

If it is true that there is collusion between PF, and a forum whose owner has this kind of history — who is to be most feared? Should the recently traumatized victim worry about the occasional nut who waltzes onto the forum and posts their offbeat, weird or just slightly out of synch ideas?

Or should they be more cautious about the core group on PF forums. That group has a lot of info about them, by virtue of email alone, after they join the forum, and appear to be fishing for more.

And, beyond security issues involved, emotionally speaking a member merely annoys them, they might well launch a vendetta against them.

The recently victimized must choose wisely with eyes wide open. Things aren’t always as they appear.

MARCH 1, 2016

 

Maria
I rarely peek at the forum nowadays as I’m sure they’re being extremely careful (as in moving threads to the Meta forum before starting their hounding, presumably). But I did catch a few surreal moments, when their lack of logic shone in its full glory.

The funniest part (well, funny aside from being revolting) is that they actually insist on anonymity between members; they’re not allowed to post photos or any details; I remember them freaking out over a guy linking to his profile on a dating site. A few members reacted in awe, the main message being ”OMG, did this guy just show us his FACE”? As if that was somehow shocking in this day and age (or shocking in general). It was an instant ban. They reacted as if they’d been endangered somehow. Crazy.

The hypocrisy is enormous when emphasising privacy as they look up your hole with a magnifying glass, without you being aware of it. And then they have the nerve to elaborate on ”creeps”, ”perverts” and ”stalkers” who target innocent people. The irony is completely lost on them.

MARCH 2, 2016

 

Thomas Sheridan
This is funny as fuck.

https://www.psychopathfree.com/showthread.php?45921-New-PF-forum-on-the-way!

”Better security and weirdo detection”

That is classic cult behaviour. Could be a new way to spy and gather dirt on the members to be used later on them to dehumanised them and call them psychopaths after they have taken their money and have no further used for them.

I am at a loss as to how any person who have lived a normal life, average social skills and then read the posts from the mods and not considered it ‘unsettling’ at the very least.

Even Peace’s bio is like something a serial killer would come up with to try and look emphatic. Creepy fucker. He reminds me of the serial killer cop in the Dead Zone and Peru reminds me of the mother. “You’re evil!!!!!!!”

They all need sectioning.

JUNE 19, 2016

 

Maria
I wonder why no one demands an explanation regarding this vaguely mentioned “better weirdo detection”.

JUNE 19, 2016

 

Thomas Sheridan
It is clearly a Scientology/saucer cult style dossier collection project.

It is a fantastic scam when you think about it. Find emotionally fragile women just out of a bad ending relationship. Pose as some kind of Christ-like saviour and then re-engineering them into being his income generators and attack dogs.

There was a very good TV show called The Path recently. In the first episode the cult show up at a disaster scene and scoop up the victims and then feed them into the cult.

Pychopathfree uses the same methods. There is no drive towards recovery on there. It is a new lifestyle that members are signing up to for the rest of their lives (Peace’s Pledge). Their entire sense of self is then reconstructed towards believing they are the only people on this planet who are not psychopapths as long as they do what the controllers Peace and Peru order them to do. Classic cult scenario.

When I met Peru and the other pathological liar Isis in England, they were already talking (in 2012) about setting up a ‘centre’ in some stately English manor house to bring the members into for training and workshops. Looking back on it now it was setting up a cult compound.

I can see now that I was set up for the start.

JUNE 19, 2016

 

Maria
Wow… I had no idea they were planning on getting some members to physically gather somewhere in order to get the proper indoctrination (and presumably spread it to their best ability). It’s what all these groups do though, isn’t it? Scientologists are lured in with a promise of self-betterment, to begin with, then it all becomes about how much money they can make towards the “common cause”. It all starts with small, friendly meetings. When new to the forum, members are often told right up front they should by Peace’s book. But surely one book can’t generate that much revenue, can it?

This is just so bizarre… I wonder who came up with this idea, to set up a cult-like group based on psychopathy in order to make money. It’s unheard of (at least in my limited experience).

I wonder, if their project just evolved organically, how in the world they managed to make it thrive to this level, since they seem to have such poor social skills and impulse control. Not to mention a complete disregard for the law and for human rights, such as privacy and dignity.

Maybe I’m paranoid myself but this seems to play into the bigger agenda of perpetual victimhood, of alienating family members from each other. Could this be a project with larger backing, as opposed to their own personal agenda turned into a money-making machine?

I hope this is not an intrusive question; I’m just curious how this all started. Did they approach you and use the reputation you had earned by publishing books on the subject, to further their own?

JUNE 20, 2016

 

Thomas Sheridan
It was Peru the eh, ‘socialist, while she was boasting about the other eh, socialists friends who have stately homes and the land for one of them could used for creating an Education Centre were they could beat up mannequins and so on. At the time I thought they were joking. It was around the time she called me a Dublin Working Class Scumbag in her best private school Hampshire accent or something like that demonstrating her true colours and a socialist.

BTW; the Psychopath Checklist they give up as a guideline for evaluating people, was originally a list of all the things Peru hated about her Ex at the Heathrow Climate Camp for daring to leave her for another woman. That is how scientific it all is. It is just a crazed bunny boilers SWF stalker’s hate list and nothing more beyond this.

Regarding the flying saucer cult who run the ‘security’ operation and data gathering networks for Psychopathfree, they had one person named Betsy Ashby who is a close personal friend of Peace. She was implicated in the murder-by-suicide of a man whom she tortured on line for years. She was so psychotic that in the end even the flying saucer cult got rid if her. She is the go-to intelligence officer of the forum used to gather information on people, turn it around and spin it in a way that suits the inner core of PF. All techniques learned from the cult behind the Winnie the Pooh profile pics.

If people think this is just a harmless forum with a bit of a hysterical mentality they would be completely wrong. The forum is a highly strategic operation wit the intention of developing a vast Trotsky-like intelligence data base on people they deem ‘psychopaths’. I am not sure what the end game is, but anyone who is registered on PF needs to get off for good.

JUNE 20, 2016

 

Thomas Sheridan
Peace and Peru both approached me around the same time the saucer people started love bombing me. I gave Peace several hundred Euros to pay for the start up costs of the forum they would eventually to attack me putting me into near poverty while they fleeced thousands in donations off the members. In the end, it was a good thing for me as I have a normal job and life now and well free of that sick world and I feel clearer and better for it. But make no mistake, I was targeted and set up.

It was all planned from the start. Clear as day now

JUNE 20, 2016

 

Maria
Thank you for all the information.

In the end they’re correct about one thing – they’re all about psychopathy. Nothing spells “psycho” better than the behaviour you just described.

Unfortunately it’s these corporate-minded sharks who enjoy the most success in this world; they are unscrupulous; they stop at nothing.

The teddy bear caper and gentle persona is convincing to start with. Chilling.

JUNE 20, 2016

 

Maria
Surely they realise themselves they are making all this shit up and there’s no real basis to it?

JUNE 20, 2016

 

Thomas Sheridan
Look at the number of reviews on Amazon. 700+ that’s because forum members are hounded to go out and review it as almost a kind of devotional to Peace and the other mods. More fakery, more delusions within a total miasma of narcissism. It is a drug for them. ‘ADORE US!!!!’ A test of loyalty to compliment the The Pledge. I could easily hound thousands of people to review my book if I wanted to, but I am not narcissistic to want to bask in that kind of superficial, goaded glory hunting. A normal person does not do this. That is cult leader mentality.

This is the false world of goaded adoration that has led to the delusional psychosis that they are changing the world. They are not. The awareness of the issue among the general public is probably down to me and my work It has not progressed much more beyond what I put out there. All they did was put a tombstone on my grave and then stand on top of the tomb stone and proclaimed that they saved the world. They can’t even save themselves from themselves.

Again, I do not really want credit for that as I am interested is so many other topics and subjects and psychopathy was a part of my work, it is not the only thing I have done. With them, this is it, they have nothing else to fall back on and their lives are so empty without psychopathfree and the sense of false messianic power and infantile revenge-fuelled greatness it has given them. Yes they have been very successful, but if you look at the depth and content of their work and output it is more akin to a cheesey pop version of the topic devoid of substance. In terms of this topic Peace will always be the boyband version with the autotune bubblegum backing track and an army of gullible immature teenage girls who don’t want to grow up and become responsible women screaming his name until they move on to their next pop psychology bullshit. I’d rather be real and forgotten, than being a superficial fake like that.

Like the flying saucer cult, they have, with their behaviour, attracted the attention of powerful people in mainstream TV and Hollywood who will descend upon them one day with a camera crew and it won’t be to tell them how wonderful they are and how they saved the world. They might find out that they have become the thing they claim to hate. Plus ça change. Plus c’est la meme chose.

JUNE 20, 2016

 

Maria
One has to wonder how many have given positive reviews without even reading it and how many found out what the group was about after doing so. It’s certainly weird for it to have an overwhelmingly good response when others have found it poorly written and with no substance whatsoever. These two extremes should make people think before they buy it.

It’s about time a media outlet took a more careful look at them.

I’m not sure how serious they are about pushing their mental waste into schools, to be embraced by naive kids, who only need a slight push to see their entire families as narcissistic and their fleeting relationships as having “survived” psychopaths. So many are already collecting oppression points; the “survivor” medal would look only too desirable, preparing them for the socialist indoctrination they will receive in universities.

JUNE 20, 2016

 

Maria

This is from their Facebook page:

“Anyone can have a cult following – a fan club. People who shower them with praise, agreement, & adoration. But to form true friendships takes time, dedication, compassion, and trust. Instead of seeking a cheering audience, empathetic people tend to surround themselves with smaller groups of likeminded people. Interactions are mutual, respectful, quiet, and loving. Real friendships are not about a bunch of people worshipping someone else.”

Unreal, coming from people who are producing conveyor belt followers.

JUNE 20, 2016

 

Thomas Sheridan
“people tend to surround themselves with smaller groups of likeminded people”

That was called a clique when I was growing up.

JUNE 20, 2016

 

Maria
The emphasis on “like-minded” is definitely interesting. Friends don’t have to be like-minded; it’s impossible to agree on every single thing.

JUNE 20, 2016

 

Thomas Sheridan
“The emphasis on “like-minded” is definitely interesting. Friends don’t have to be like-minded; it’s impossible to agree on every single thing.”

However, it is a prerequisite for being in a cult.

JUNE 20, 2016

 

Maria
But do they actually believe their own bullshit? Do they actually think the people they target are psychopaths?

Presumably, they would pause and realise sometimes that their credibility is on borrowed time and an in depth analysis of their “work” would cut through it like a knife through butter.

And yet they promote it even to professionals, as if it had a leg to stand on. Quite something.

JUNE 20, 2016

 

Thomas Sheridan
Absolutely 100%, they believe it all.

JUNE 20, 2016

 

Maria
I think new members are simply not aware. If they ended up reading any material regarding the association between PF and a proper cult – or regarding the behaviour of PF staff in general… They probably wouldn’t register.

It’s always afterwards that people look for information. And it’s easy to find; one just has to look for it. At first everything seems fine, judging by the popularity of the site. After you share so much – people normally do straight away – you’re a bit reluctant to the mere thought that you made a huge mistake. You know, it’s that OH SHIT moment someone has…

When I first came across what Thomas wrote I wasn’t sure it was about PF, as he didn’t reference them directly in his article. But then, the Amazon review mentioned that forum explicitly. And then I found out they had a history with Thomas as well and the cult trying to discredit him. It all just came together.

I think so many of us take things at face value (groups, movements, institutions).

A few years ago I was involved with a group claiming to do pro-life and pro-family activism… Very excited about the project as well; writing together and promoting certain values. Lo and behold, it turned out they were neo-Nazis. They swore at me very unceremoniously when finding out I wasn’t racist and that I did not endorse vigilante attacks (with baseball bats and all) against illegals trying to sell vegetables in some Russian town (actually I think it was melons they were selling). I don’t know what was wrong; they didn’t have authorisation or weren’t paying enough tax or something. But I remember the lads on that site praising the ”bravery” of those hooligans physically threatening people who were only trying to sell some melons to feed their families.

And the best part – guess what – they claimed to be Christian as well. It was then I realised once and for all that the far right only uses religion (and all causes associated with it) to draw more people in. They’re as religious as the sole of my shoe (which overtakes me, because I’m even less religious than that  ).

MARCH 2, 2016

 

 

Maria
I don’t think it is legal, at least without notifying you first. That’s why I’m curious if there is some kind of policy one agrees to when registering, as I don’t recall seeing one, but perhaps I just wasn’t paying attention at the time. Nobody reads them.

If there is, their methods must be disguised in that excruciatingly boring legal jargon which takes ages to decipher even if one takes the time to go through every point.

What I’m sure of is that if they explained them in ”lay terms”, people would run like hell away – because they end up with information regarding every single aspect of a person’s life. Not even the police have that and in order to obtain it they must go through certain formalities; even then they don’t know you intimately. But these lovely folks on PF do; they even know details regarding your mental health and therapy. The dossiers they end up compiling are very complex; they are evocative of former communist countries, where the state was interested in every detail.

Now imagine if a group like that suddenly becomes convinced, out of thin air, that you are a psychopath. If they’re crazy enough, they can contact your employer and denounce you as a public menace. Or something. There was a thread I stumbled upon once regarding someone’s ”ex P”, whom this lady was convinced had been involved in a murder near his house, although there was nothing linking him to it except her intuition and her ”knowledge” that he was a psychopath. She was considering going to the police, based on that alone. It stuck in my mind because it’s a bat shit crazy thing to do, not to mention entitled (unless I read the story superficially and there was actual cause for concern, but I doubt it).

What they did to a former moderator who left without an explanation shows how they can label someone a psycho with absolutely nothing to go on.

Trusting them really is like playing with fire.

MARCH 2, 2016

 

Thomas Sheridan
Does anyone know the name of the former moderator who left and was declared a psychopath by Peace and the other witchhunters?

JUNE 22, 2016

 

Maria
The only thing I now is the username and what other former members wrote here. He must be a very private person, to be able to calmly keep away as all that was going on.

For me personally it took the understanding of what they were about to a whole new level. It’s one thing to generalise and spread a faulty view of the world, but to go after someone like that, based on nothing… Well, after what they did to you, hardly a surprise.

JUNE 22, 2016

 

Thomas Sheridan
Oh it was a male! Then he was a “psychopath” for being heterosexual man then.

It is a very dangerous place for hetrosexual men there. It’s a hunting ground.

JUNE 23, 2016

 

Maria
It was something I witnessed a few times as well. Men being accused of flirting for liking someone’s avatar, of wanting quick solutions instead of spending a year whining on PF, of being creeps and so forth.

JUNE 24, 2016

 

Maria
Also, I wonder how they explain to members what this enhanced security is all about and that they spot ”weirdos” after one post. Or even while registering – I have a feeling they perform certain checkups even then. I remember getting an error message a few times claiming ”your username is either taken or not considered good enough by the forum team”, something along those lines. It made me curious as I didn’t know why an available username (no swear words or body parts or anything like that) would be considered unsuitable. It felt like some strange stalling technique and I think that’s just what it was. Maybe that’s how they sometimes disable registrations; they probably don’t have time to perform all the spying.

Just now I had a look and found this thread , regarding the health benefits of writing about traumatic experiences. Maybe someone should also complete a study – if they haven’t already – focusing on the impact of trusting the wrong people with intimate problems. Allow me to doubt disclosing your traumas to just anybody is worth it.

MARCH 2, 2016

 

Maria
No, I never found out; I guess most people, in not all, who have posted here either didn’t see that or no longer have an account there.

She must have written that PM to warn them as I noticed days later she was back on the site (so there was no intention of calling them out on their bullshit or anything like that).

Why they opened a thread or who opened it, I have no idea, but it died very quickly and I suspect it was deleted shortly after.

I can imagine them calling us all kinds of names, but of course I can’t confirm. Anyway, I suspect we’re all ”psychos” now.

Though really, if a member read the posts and comments here they could not claim they’re not plausible. Maybe that’s how they didn’t want them to be circulated and hushed everything in a hurry.

MARCH 3, 2016

 

Maria
I think engaging in a discussion or debate first of all has to involve mutual respect and the awareness that either one (or both) could be wrong about an issue. People express what they think and feel at that particular moment; they might or might not alter their views in the future. If I look back on my mind ten years ago, I was an absolute idiot; ten years from now I might say the same about present time.

It seems they don’t have that kind of awareness. They’re always right, at all times. That’s what makes them impossible to deal with.

When the famous negative review was posted on Amazon they had quite a reaction, though I think few of their posts (if any) can still be seen there.

MARCH 4, 2016

 

Maria
Post updated with the latest witch hunt.

MARCH 5, 2016

 

Lisa
The new member was obviously trying to make the point that even in casual love relationships, psychopaths can do inestimable damage, when they exit, but all she can find, online are forums that revolve around the emotional damage they do. Her use of the term, ‘codependents anonymous,’ was insulting, but nevertheless, she didn’t deserve to be dragged through the mud. And where did this member state that she “had no empathy?” I rather doubt that.

But Smitten Kitten can, “read between the lines.” Why, she knows people better than they know themselves, apparently. And can do a profiling job of their state of mind based on just a few posts. Gee, it is somewhat different than her own past problem(s) with all the P’s in her life,so it is invalid, unimportant, trivial. And WHO is lacking in empathy? I received similar treatment from her. Lovely, isn’t it?

Sounds like this guy wiped the poor new member out financially. Hmmm….and somebody not picking up the phone when you call is worse? Hell, I would prefer somebody ignore me for an entire freaking year than destroy me financially.

MARCH 5, 2016

 

Maria
After having a quick look for the member’s posts, the lack of empathy this admin references was a ”lack of empathy towards the psychopath”, mentioned in a different thread, not far from this one. Which appears confusing, because they’re… trying to encourage that on PF?

Of course when someone reads ”you said yourself you have no empathy”, they might be inclined to think the member had referred to empathy in general (as in they had ASPD in some form). Devious way to put it (and intentional I think).

MARCH 6, 2016

 

Maria
There is no logic; they switch their assessments and improvise in order to simulate some kind of higher knowledge about the dynamic between disordered people and others. And end up seeming clueless with sweeping statements like ”someone who has been targeted by a P would never behave like that”.

Yes, the member was being rude, but also realistic. Cases involving crime and manipulation are more likely by default to involve genuine psychopaths than someone cheating or leaving their partner, which is their preferred narrative.

Plus, I would understand why someone who had just been screwed over by the legal system would be extremely angry, given the circumstances. It’s not difficult to relate to simply from a human perspective. Except one finds little humanity there.

MARCH 6, 2016

 

helen cox
Absolutely fascinating and very true -in my experience. I met some genuinely fantastic people on PF who were instrumental in my recovery and I’ve stayed in contact with them. But…after a while on the forum though, it felt like some Mods were keyboard warrior Mean Girls. And what can seem like “intellectual angst”- can sometimes be just good old melancholic self-immersion. I knew where I was heading so I left.

APRIL 5, 2016

 

Lisa
Helen Cox,

You were wise to get out of there. Your intelligence and common sense would have had them reaching for their pitchforks. Then they would have pinned you against the brick wall of their ‘loving attitudes’ and marched you through the bleak alleyways of their forum. On PF, the witch hunt is conducted by actual witches against those with some clarity of thought, honest questions and a good handle on group dynamics. There be monsters! And mean girls! Yes!

APRIL 5, 2016

 

Lisa
Mia,

The mods and Peace all display highly aggressive characteristics. Their claims of protecting those on the forum from ‘dangerous types,’ is a covertly hostile manipulative tactic that many pathologicals use.

Whether they are pathological or not, who knows? Victims of abuse can become Abusers themselves….easily. Peace’s ‘victims are angels’ nonsense isn’t supported either anecdotally, scientifically or even in the vaguest spiritual way.

Visit any penitentiary and what you are likely to encounter are people who have been seriously victimized — who have in turn, victimized others.

If anything, being targeted by a psychopath puts you at an extreme risk of becoming an assho**, as you can become overly defended, overly suspicious and angry.. Very ungood!

Crucial that those who have been victims see very clearly the risks to their personality. I learned so much about how not to behave and how NOT to see the world, watching the behavior of the mods on that forum.

APRIL 5, 2016

 

Jesse
Psychopath Free and many other interactive forums about deformed personalities, need some healthy competition.

There are a few very good blogs out there, but no forums that have the social finesse to gently explain to victims that their ex, though possibly a human turd, isn’t a dangerous psychopath.

Rather than being disempowering, this should reassure those who have been ill treated. The insensitive slob they married isn’t Freddie Kruger, he’s just another dumb schmuck.

Forums that gain commercial traction by playing on the worst fears and vulnerabilities of those who have been terribly hurt, need to be broadsided by a better forum.

Any takers?

JUNE 20, 2016

 

Thomas Sheridan
“I do think that they exhibit a deep distrust of heterosexual men. ”

Absolutely, and on a psychological level it is fascinating as Peace will never cheat on them Find another woman more pretty and interesting than them He is the perfect man for these women.

JUNE 20, 2016

 

Maria
Right. I’d never thought of it like that. It makes perfect sense.

JUNE 20, 2016

 

Ro
Wow;
So I just had a real nasty experience on PF myself yesterday. What prompted me to post was I saw in one of the messages you posted the the Administrator (Victoria) commented and seemed to egg on the drama. I had a similar experience where I posted a thread that many felt called into question if they were really dealing with a Psycopath, or just a as%$#@!. In my thread I stated that these were my opinions several times and anything that I stated as fact I backed up with Acedemic resources and citing. While I received positive feedback, I was attacked by several members and then even the Administrator (Victoria, same Avatar and all) told me to go somewhere else with my opinions. The amount of drama it caused was so bad that I requested that the thread be removed (I have no clue if it was) and that I be removed from the site as well. I will never go back. That is not healing. If anything, the only thing that that site proved to me is that they are quite capable of online bullying (where have we seen behavior like that before), to include the administrators themselves. I went to that site for healing and what I came away with was the same crap I dealt with when I lived with my own toxic person. I think I will stay away from sites like this from here on out.

JUNE 22, 2016

 

Maria
Your instinct is right, as others have left similar feedback for other forums of this type.

All they do is feed the egos of those who run them.I hope there is more public awareness on this issue soon as they reel in so many unsuspecting people.

JUNE 22, 2016

 

Maria
There’s a thread right now started by a relatively new member whom others would like to support privately but are unable to do so because the “green light” for sending PMs is given arbitrarily by staff members, with no set rules.

By not allowing members to talk in private they are infantilising them and basically saying “either one of you could be a creep”, to their faces, so to speak.

So this member asked for permission to post an email address so she can be contacted there. I’m quite curious what will happen. This is the link:

https://www.psychopathfree.com/threads/i-cannot-believe-myself-slipped-up-ginormously-on-n-c.65187/page-9

JUNE 23, 2016

 

Jill
All I can say is WOW…O.M.G……I had been on PF for almost 7 months…bought the book, etc…
Thought it would be helpful in my healing and am now realizing it made it much worse…I am not even sure if I was with a disordered person anymore…maybe just a major jerk. It’s a dark hole that I was literally sucked into and as of very recently it got so blatantly obvious to me that something was really off. There was a recent post in the “Meta Forum” where the admins and other members literally started attacking several members. I believe Ms. Kitty Krazy started to call it “wacking a troll” and she said there were 5 down 7 or 8 to go…Whaaat? It’s obvious some members were challenging them and they didn’t like it. This is like a friggin mean girls club. Plus what if some of these people actually really needed help. I posted many personal things, like an idiot because I thought it was a safe place.
This past week I was attacked by a few members with the most horrible insensitive responses. I called them out on it and copied a few of the “Admins” and no one responded. It got worse, so I emailed the Kitten and told her to not only remove my profile but every single post. She did it within 5 minutes, never offered any explanation, support, sorry to see you go, etc….nothing…If they were legit this would have went down differently. I think I called them out and that was that. Literally just googled PF complaints and found this article. THANK YOU! You have just validated that I am not nuts and these people are beyond Psycho…how dare they! Live and learn, I guess…but this forum should be exposed for the BS it is because there are actually some people on it who could genuinely use real support.

BTW…I recognize every post that was quoted in this article and seeing them separate from the Forum really sheds some light on true colors.

JUNE 23, 2016

 

Maria
They always have lists of people to monitor more closely and let them keep on disclosing while they are watching them and gossiping behind everyone’s backs.

And since they are a clique, I suppose it matters who reports as well; some of them do it all the time, at the slightest suspicions. But if you’re clearly worried about attitudes you’re receiving, they ignore you.

All in all you were lucky she deleted your posts – as they take the complete liberty of keeping them for good if they like.

So they have a thread on the Meta board with a “shit list” on it, where they brag about “whacking trolls”? … That is their entire game; “whacking” people thy dislike; that’s how they get their jollies. It’s their petty revenge at whatever they think was done to them.

And to think they have this whole area about spiritual cleansing and all… They wouldn’t know something like that if it bit them on the ass.

Some people are tense enough in a messed up situation they just appreciate others listening to their problems. But the sheer negative energy directed at them by these shrews must have a damaging impact.

JUNE 24, 2016

 

Lisa
I used my real name and email when I signed on to the forum and felt after a few weeks that they were suspicious. I wish I had done otherwise. I am still concerned that they have my story on their site. Fortunately I altered enough personal details that they would find it difficult to trace me, track me on other forums. Still…

One of their suspicions had to do with my expressions of care and concern for others on the forum. I asked other members questions — and nothing that would reveal their identity, or make them either feel unsafe or put them at risk in any way — nor judge them. Quite the opposite.

It’s helpful sometimes to get more of a sense of what people are dealing with, and how much real control they have over their situation. A good example would be, “are you able to support yourself and your kids, if you go no contact?” At no time was I confrontational, just trying to help the member gauge where their greatest stresses were, when considering leaving a “P”. I think that people who can’t leave a jerk, particularly for financial reasons, deserve even more support than those, often childless members who can pick up and leave easily.

I was accused of “interviewing” other members. Holy sh**!! I was held up to ridicule and scorn and the members were warned that if they ever felt they were being interviewed by a fellow member to alert them at once! They gave the impression that they really, “had the goods” on me. If they had been even slightly correct, I would have been chastened and embarrassed — but not only were they wrong, they were 180 degrees off, and came at me right out of left field.

I wanted to die. I was as healed from being a target of abuse as one can be, but was still pretty fragile in the wake of all that I had been dealing with, including the deaths of both of my parents, months before. It was horrendous. I felt like I was reliving the dump and discard of a psychopath all over again.

It can’t be emphasized enough how lethal this forum is, particularly to anybody, like myself, who was being treated for complex PTSD at the time.

Really horrible people and perfect examples of how not to behave after being a target. Encouraging members to approach humanity in general with grave suspicion, instead of trying to help people retrieve what is best n themselves and return to an open hearted place is ALL wrong.

Yes there are psychopaths out there and yes, many members were targeted by a P or a terrible jerk, which can be just as difficult– but by and large, I feel most people are basically good and respond to open hearted friendliness. How many friends do you think these mods have in the real world?

JUNE 24, 2016

 

Maria
if they take so many liberties with others and are so paranoid, they probably don’t have many.

JUNE 25, 2016

 

Lisa
Maria,

I think the tables have been turned on the mods and ‘Peace.’ Mainly due to your blog, THEY are under a microscope now. Look at all the hits this blog is receiving, as well as some media coverage.

I would venture a guess that they have entered full blown paranoia, with regards their membership now. And perhaps they do have people signing up to observe them more closely from the inside. Their lack of discernment and histrionic mindset will be doubly problematic now.

JUNE 24, 2016

 

Maria
I surely hope there is more media coverage and people start paying more attention. The fewer people fall for it, the better.

JUNE 25, 2016

 

Jill
This was a thread that they sent to the meta forum because they thought the poster was a P posing as a victim. Things escalated & apparently some “trolls” came out to show their true colors according to the admins. They started banning them all & S Kitten was the one saying its “like whack a troll” then she kept posting how many they got & how many more there were. Most of the banned members were pretty long time contributing members.
Some members involved in the discussion asked to be deactivated because they no longe wanted to be on there.
That was a wake up call to me. I feel so stupid for being on there. It’s a crazy place & it’s a shame because online support forums/groups can be a helpful addition to the healing process. I agree there should be more competition & also think these forums should be completely private, not exclusively private like the meta forum.

I just can’t believe I didn’t see it sooner. Also thought it was weird that they have their registration disabled . I think they are very paranoid at this point about being exposed.

JUNE 25, 2016

 

Maria
As I understand disabling registrations had something to do with a spam program which wasn’t working on the new version of the forum.

I felt really stupid myself when realising what kind of people I’d taken advice from and entrusted with my information during the most difficult time of my life. But members can’t tell what matters a really like unless they search for information. And without suspicion, they have no reason to do so. When they get that suspicion, it’s already too late.

JUNE 25, 2016

 

Lisa
Hi Jill,

No reason to feel anything but grateful that you are out of there!

One day the lovely Smitten Kitten is going to push someone right over the edge. Imagine the suicide note and public exposure. Some people are in such dire straits by the time they find the PF site, it wouldn’t take much!

Had I stumbled onto their site a year earlier and been banned, I don’t know what I would have done. I probably would have survived it but…who knows?

When I say they are lethal, I am not exaggerating.

The other really strange thing is the moderator, ‘Victoria’, bad mouthed Phoenix, senior member to me. Nothing terribly nasty — just that the general consensus among the mods was that she was out of line at times.

And yet she is still there. Wonder if they have ever pulled her aside and told her to stfu.

JUNE 25, 2016

 

Maria
If they have, it doesn’t show, as she seems to be as acrimonious as ever.

I do hope more members jump ship if there is further popularisation, though it looks just as likely they will be kicked out by staff members on bogus accusations. Banning 7 or 8 members at the same time – does that happen often?

Or are they going a bit the Jim Jones way?

JUNE 25, 2016

 

Maria
It would be interesting to find out how many of the 18.000 + members were officially banned or made “inactive”. Bans seem to be an almost daily occurrence.

JUNE 25, 2016

 

Jill
Thanks Lisa and Maria. That’s just bizarre about Victoria and Phoenix. Both Smitten Kitten & Victoria have huge chips on their shoulders. How I didn’t pick up on this earlier as a warning sign, I don’t know. Think I got sucked in like everyone else and it also struck me as odd as how the members would always kiss the admins butts and agree with whatever they said. If so and so was making waves by not agreeing or questioning things everyone would gang up and then the thread would get thrown in Meta “so the public couldn’t see it and so that they trolls would expose themselves.” Makes no sense. How did I not see it?

Their site definitely has cult like qualities and some of the new members are beyond nuts and rude. I just feel bad for the people there who actually need help and advice. Gonna guess the actual number of people percentage wise on that site that were actually involved with a Psychopath or Sociopath is small..gonna guess maybe 20%. The rest, like myself were in realationships with Jerks who had some P Traits.

Also, looking back the past few days ( I’ve been checking to make sure I am completely deleted, because if I wasn’t I would have no problem sending them a nice letter from a major law firm.).I’m pissed that I wasted so much time on that website.

Think it’s great that you are raising awareness, but just be careful you don’t get into a pissing contest with them. It’s clear that you or someone else has shaken the tree a bit because they are so paranoid; especially lately. Raising awareness and eventually creating a much safer more realistic forum (vs one that enables people to overreact and bitch about how they were dumped, or “OMG They peeked that day!”….such a time sucker). Just wish I found you before I left because I would have dedicated a thread to the “Mean Girls” and the “mean new members too..”

Ps. Do you remember the online poll that they had to see the average age of their site users? I think it was women in their mid-40’s to 60’s. Bizarre they were targeting people so young that you mentioned about FB. Btw- I read excerpts from Healing Journey’s book…total crap. Just a jaded girl.

JUNE 25, 2016

 

Lisa
Maria,

Do you know how to write up press releases? If I have time I will write up a proper release for mainstream media. The mods and Peace are playing with fire — bullying and then banning people who have been through abusive situations already. Online bullying is a hot topic now, as it should be.

If I write up the release may I refer to your blog?

JUNE 25, 2016

 

Maria
I don’t know anything about press releases and I’m not sure about the legal implications either for those who go after them directly. Of course you can; hopefully it’s safe enough for both of us.

JUNE 25, 2016

 

Lisa
I hear you, Maria and plan to be very circumspect. I don’t want PF to retaliate — after all they have very personal info about me.

A better idea may be to submit an article to a major online news outlet. I don’t have to mention their forum specifically.

Hopefully, if it is accepted it will serve as a wake up call to ALL interactive ‘recovery’ forums. PF isn’t the only forum that actively engages in bullying. They are probably the worst of the lot, though.

If you would like me to provide a link to your blog I will.

I won’t have time or energy to do this for a while. Perhaps, in the meantime PF will smarten up and start to treat their members better.

JUNE 25, 2016

 

Maria
After what Thomas wrote here, I seriously doubt that is in the cards or that they’ve ever cared about what individual members think. Their operation is rotten to the core; it’s all about control.

JUNE 25, 2016

 

Maria
This is a thread I noticed a while back, about “raising teen and young adult awareness”.
https://www.psychopathfree.com/threads/teen-young-adult-awareness.26149/

“So we released an advertising campaign on Facebook aimed at users aged 17-23. Thanks to brainstorming from @LuckyLaura and @HealingJourney, we came up with ads that focused on psychopathic behavior, instead of the word “psychopath” itself. Cheating, lying, love triangles, ex texting, manipulating, etc. This was very significant, since most people see “psychopath” and think serial killer. But when shown psychopathic behavior, suddenly people can recognize & relate.

Not only did this campaign succeed, it has actually been our most effective awareness effort ever! It led to fifteen times more interest than our previous ads, leading to more than 3,000 new page fans in under 3 days.”

It shows their duplicity in trying to expand their fan base, so to speak. They were “raising awareness about psychopathy” without focusing on psychopathy but on common behaviour (especially among teens), just to reel in as many as possible. In fact, it’s not difficult to find teenagers who went through all of the above – it’s more difficult to find those that haven’t. And suddenly they have been “made aware” that they are “survivors” of psychopathic abuse.

JUNE 25, 2016

 

Lisa
So, through their inroads into the youth market, they are starting out by refraining to use the term, ‘psychopath,’ in preference for terms like lying, cheating, manipulating.

These are moral failures that most people have engaged in, at times. The difference between psychopathic lying and garden variety lying, to my mind, is a P will do it for sport and there will be a pervasive entrenched pattern of duping delight. If PF doesn’t emphasize this feature of the condition they will end up encouraging kids to cast their net as far and wide as they do, socially.

How deeply damaging….and they don’t see how this, in itself, may cause the very kinds of peer brutality, they claim to want to stop?

Silly bl**dy fools

JUNE 27, 2016

 

Maria
As far as I saw there was no concern regarding how muddying the waters might affect vulnerable young people and drive them towards paranoia – or towards bullying others. There was only excitement about the number of FB likes. Which says it all, really.

JUNE 27, 2016

 

Thomas Sheridan
If there is one agenda with the Psychopathfree moderators we can absolutely say is a fact is that they have industrialised the dehumanisation of innocent people who are not them and do not agree with them. They have have created a bubble of grandiosity whereby any human being is a potential ‘psychopath’ waiting to be tagged and they have exclusive right to be the final authority on this matter.

The casual manner in which they so gloatingly dehumanise people based on a few Internet posts is shocking as it is sickening. They simply have no desire to accept that other human beings have a humanity which should be respected, and should not punished and classified in the most sadistic and vicious manner. It is practically a drug to them at this point.

It will never change as in the case of someone such as Peru, life holds no magic for this wrinkled witch devoid of any magic. No children to love, no man to care for her. These witchhunts are all she has left in life. So she has a machine which she can blame half the human race for knowing that when she finally takes her last breath, there will be no one there to hold her hand. Peace will have probably declared her – and all the other current mods – a ‘psychopath’ long before then I am sure. In the meantime, there are thousands of innocent people they need to hunt down like foxes and they are on their horses wearing red velvet jackets addicted to the smell of new flesh and blood being virtually ripped asunder for their sport.

The Middle Ages are still with us on the electromagnetic spectrum.

JUNE 27, 2016

 

Maria
You’d feel sorry for people who are so bitter and stubborn in their arrogance – if they weren’t so dangerous to others.

JUNE 27, 2016

 

Maria
It took about ten seconds today to find them hounding someone to the point of having them beg for forgiveness.

https://www.psychopathfree.com/threads/how-do-you-know-youre-healing.65553/page-4

One should never apologise to such people as that inflates their egos even more.

JUNE 27, 2016

 

Lisa
Hi Maria,

Do you think you could check that thread and see if it’s been altered? It seems to end somewhat abruptly.

JUNE 27, 2016

 

Maria
It hasn’t; they do that sometimes; as soon as someone apologises they simply start ignoring them. I’ve seen similar posts and even threads based on members’ regrets for having “offended” the forum. They tend to be left there like rotting corpses in the sun, without even meeting the person halfway by accepting the apology. They probably know that as soon as there is contradiction that member will likely be banned .

JUNE 27, 2016

 

Lisa
Pathetic…No reassuring messages with a “no harm done,” quality. No kindness, no concern, nothing. Just let the person twist. Lovely.

JUNE 28, 2016

 

 

Maria
I noticed that about SJWs in general. They revel in causing others to humble themselves for imaginary mistakes and then give them an arrogant cold shoulder. It’s a form of subtle mind control.

JUNE 28, 2016

 

Jill
This one is from yesterday & the member who started is of course now “inactive” this person was not being a “troll”

https://www.psychopathfree.com/threads/how-codependency-fits-into-the-bigger-picture-of-the-n-p-s-relationship.65578/

JUNE 27, 2016

 

Lisa
Just responded and lost my response before I hit send. Don’t know what happened!

Smitten Kitten is using “word salad” improperly….again. It’s her favorite word combo. In her case she can’t be accused of word salad as there are several key ingredients missing. Her vocabulary doesn’t rise to the level of “word salad”, which can be unintentionally poetic, through the breakdown of syntax and semantics.

The term refers to the broken and odd patterns of speech schizophrenics use during an acute attack. So wrongO, Crazy Kitty. P’s are manipulative and they get away with it through superior understanding of syntax and semantics, if anything. Having someone talk rings around you isn’t “word salad”. Call it “donut speak”, or “lasso lingo” but not “word salad”.

She was unnecessarily mean to the new member, who was trying to help. She encouraged a mobbing. She also appealed to heightened suggestibility about the post ‘triggering’ members by harping about just that. What an incendiary, cat’s on fire, kind of kitty.

Poor new member put a lot of effort and thought into the post…and whether they like it or not, there are going to be a few posters who would benefit from reading it — as it describes a neurotic entanglement pretty well. Agree it doesn’t describe a Psychopathic targetting, but so f’g what. The admin or mod should thank the poster for their time and effort and state their objection in a kind and civil way.

Instead, what does crazy Kitty do? She gives them a double helping of “rude salad”!

JUNE 28, 2016

 

Maria
They can label any rhetoric they don’t like as a “word salad”. I found the post very coherent. If it doesn’t suit their own logic, to them it’s malicious nonsense, though no indication of maliciousness was present.

It’s aberrant behaviour and should sound alarm bells to those who read the thread.

JUNE 28, 2016

 

Jill
Absolutely juvenile and ridiculous! The other part of this thread that really got to me was when a few members were like “That really triggered me!” “Thank you for saying that SK”…….Were they triggered because they are codependents? The whole codependent argument on PF is completely contradicotry if you read through other threads regarding it. The loose use of the term “Word Salad” especially by SK in this case is also incorrect. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that this forum is extremely unhealthy and unproductive for survivors. It also has many cult like traits as pointed out in a prior article on this blog. I do not believe a professional on any level would be treating/giving out “advice” as these admins do here on PF. BTW- Is Peace more of a covert behind the scenes type here? Because the whole time I was there, I never once witnessed him chiming in when his Mods were abusive and mean towards other members. Maybe he has conditioned them to do his dirty work? Although I know SK is one of the other co-founders…

JUNE 28, 2016

 

Maria
While active on PF, I had no idea what his attitude was, as all his posts and articles seemed to inspire kindness, serenity, solidarity etc. It was only afterwards, while reading the posting “guidelines” and other announcements regarding “security”, that it all made sense. These are so arbitrary and illogical they invite any kind of abuse on the team’s part, with no consequences whatsoever. So yes, covert would be very accurate. They’re all on the same page, yet he doesn’t display his true colours aside from coming up with a maze of infringements. The saint-like persona is part of what “sells” PF.

JUNE 28, 2016

 

Maria
They are so fixated on their dogma they have knee jerk reactions, as if people meant to attack them directly. Or maybe they just assume everyone who registers has taken the time to read their entire forum first and must be defying them by posting a different opinion.

Their attitude is so blatantly toxic.

JUNE 28, 2016

 

Lisa
The positive thing about the Internet is it is pretty open. There is that self correcting feature to it. Even though nobody can legislate against what they are doing, people can vote with their electro magnetic hats, if they do a simple search for ‘Psychopath Free,’ and ‘complaints’.

JUNE 27, 2016

 

BunnyMassacre
Hello, you make many valid points about Psychopathfree. I used to be a member too, but got banned when i posted a thread when i complained about ”trigger posts” from other members. I mean since you know that your post will trigger PTSD flashbacks on other members why the heck you post it? Unless you are some kind of sadist. Of course the fault got to be mine somehow. Anyway, i noticed that yesterday they made their forum private ”for members only” and Peace has some kind of feelers announcement where he pretty much explains nothing.
Do you know/suspect the REAL reason they did this? And no i dont buy that they want a peaceful quiet friendly atmosphere lol.
Congrats on your blog, it rocks!

SEPTEMBER 29, 2016

 

Maria
Apologies for your comment not showing so far as I had no internet and have to manually approve comments.

It’s good that they made the forum private as it’s sensitive content and should certainly not be advertised all over social media like it used to be.

OCTOBER 3, 2016

 

Maria
Thank you.

There could be many reasons so I’m not sure speculating would be of any use; however, perhaps they were uncomfortable with their practices being out in the open and so many people discussing them.

Regarding triggers, I don’t think there’s any way for people to avoid triggering others as they can’t possibly know which bit of information will cause that. On that type of forum one is bound to find disturbing stories of members’ own experiences; in my opinion they were not meant to upset others.

OCTOBER 4, 2016

 

Maria
It is a bit strange for them to go from a plan of “reaching millions of survivors” across the world, getting their material into schools etc, to this. But obviously it’s a good thing and might have nothing whatsoever to do with security issues.

Perhaps we’ve been overestimating them all along and the plan was never going to work (or even serious enough), beyond making a good few bucks.

OCTOBER 4, 2016

 

Thomas Sheridan
They are going into hiding now as they have been found out. Peace is developing his exit strategy as he has no further use for the women he used and manipulated to get their money and worship and wants to move on. Some of the female mods who slandered me with class-orientated lies are getting worried as they should.

Basically he is doing what he accused me of in 2012. Clearly this will pose something of problematic concern for the women who saw him as the Emphatic Homosexual Christ in the Bubble Bath Sipping Pink Wine he got them to adore as their only saviour.

Finally the world is seeing him for the creepy and disturbing freak he is and always was.

OCTOBER 5, 2016

 

Maria
It makes sense for them to be worried when there are so many people out there who know exactly what has been going on (and might have the ability to prove it as well). It does seem a very sudden turn from trying to take on the world.

At least they won’t lure or exploit anyone else in the future (no through that site anyway).

OCTOBER 5, 2016

 

Maria
If I were to make a prediction, I’d say they’ll canibalise each other on the new exclusive forum; basically the entire platform has become the Meta board. No accountability before potential members/ donors or outside intruders. They’re letting themselves loose on each other.

OCTOBER 6, 2016

 

Thomas Sheridan
That is precisely what will happen Maria. They are energized by drama. Think of a power station that needs to create electricity constantly needing water flowing through their turbines.

They will cannibalise one another for that energy they all crave so much to replace the sexual energy they lost when their ‘psychopath’ got sick of them and found himself a sane replacement.

OCTOBER 6, 2016

 

Maria
I can just see members who are there out of habit jumping ship one by one, when things get too bad, until no one but their small group of friends is left. The mess coming undone, basically.

OCTOBER 6, 2016

 

Thaukelt
Which side are you on, Thomas?

OCTOBER 8, 2016

 

Maria
Thaukelt, if you read what Thomas has posted here about the forum, you’ll find they treated him like they would treat anyone they perceived as being in their way – only much worse.

OCTOBER 10, 2016

 

Thomas Sheridan
I am not on the side of serial false accusers, pathological co-dependents and cold blooded silver spoon liars, death cult teamwork – known to the French police – affiliated intelligence operations against the members of the forum, implying that only men can be psychopaths, dealing with PTS via superficial teddy bear platitudes and unicorn races until they deem a completely innocent person to be [INSERT HERE] and then dragging them and their life, humanity and self of sense of self through a vicious Stalinist type virtual public show trial as a warning to the rest of the forum.

I have absolutely no doubt that there is a real possibility that Peace and his Harpies have left a trail of suicides of ex members in the forum whom they group-savaged and probably put these already distraught people over the edge.

I am on the side that is against this sick bullshit.

OCTOBER 10, 2016

 

Lisa
Madge,

It would be really helpful if all former mods and members who were abused by Peace and his crew of ’empaths’ came forward.

From what I can glean from recent events , Peace is scared sh**less — He is unlikely to pursue anybody through any means. He and Crazy Kitty, Lynching Laura, and V for Vendetta — woops, I meant Victoria, should be taken to task properly, by others who know exactly what they are or were up to.

As far as a trail of suicides, Thomas, I feel that is unlikely, but even one is too many — and who knows if it has happened?

They invite new members over, like an online welcome wagon for the abused. Instead of providing the mew member with a lovely basket of healing soaps and balms, Peace, and his minions leave them with their own baggage, in a “dark tea time of the soul.”.

The warm atmosphere quickly becomes confusing and then, in a psychopath like ‘reveal’ the confused member (or moderator who has fallen from grace) is kicked out the door by a frozen boot.

They are a perfect example of becoming what they despise. It is usually thus, once fundamentalist fervour, of any kind, grips the human spirit.

They have done great damage to many on their forum — of that I am sure. Had I wandered on there shortly after my own discard and had to go through it all over again, on their forum, I don’t know what I would have done, what I was capable of. I was in a very weakened, vulnerable state.

OCTOBER 11, 2016

 

Maria
It’s fortunate that they won’t get to abuse anyone new; there might be a sense of justice for the people who went through that if they made the information public. But if they don’t, the forum is on its last legs anyway.

OCTOBER 12, 2016

 

PFFree
PF takes issue with many things.

You must NEVER and under no circumstances question the amazing minds which make up the PF mods and admins. None of them that I am aware of are clinically or academically trained yet what they say is sacrosanct. I can recall being told off by one of them for nothing that could possibly have been perceived (by anyone not disordered) to have been even a very minor issue. I laid low after that because I felt hurt. This was after all my sanctuary, my island in the storm. I always found it odd that Peace isn\’t reachable by Private Message however I realized very quickly that he must know what goes on in the forums because the abuse that goes on there (no other term for it) is so egregious.

Also there are views and opinions which are deemed righteous while others are maligned. I saw some quite disgraceful attacks on people who held different political opinions during my time there. We\’re not talking extremist views but simply alternate views held by 50% of any country. One of the mods even stated that if we didn\’t like political threads we should not read them but when one affiliation gets approved of while the other gets blanket disapproval, how can one not be bothered by it?

The other thing which I must make mention of is the fact that there are clearly people on PF who are posting under multiple identities. I personally spotted at least \’4\’ users who were the same person as they had a very distinctive way of writing which no one else on the forum had. They even spelled the same words incorrectly. One such disordered member of PF made a big song and dance about leaving the site however I have my suspicions that she is still there but in another form as I have seen very angry attacking posts which are her signature. I may very well be wrong about the latter as I only have suspicions but having spoken with others there I\’m not alone in having this line of thinking.

I\’m glad to be out of PF. To begin with I didn\’t see any issues and I must make mention of the fact that there really are some lovely people active on the site who are kind and decent and good however it\’s run by some of the most unscrupulous, rude and disturbed people I have ever come across.

MAY 17, 2017

 

Maria
That is very interesting as they claim to pay close attention to members’ details in order to avoid ‘sock-puppet’ accounts. Either this person is allowed to do it or must have escaped the radar, because they do go to incredible lengths to find out the identities of those who register.

That is the irony of it all; it’s not a forum for selling boat parts or discussing any neutral topic, but one where people let their guard down and expose themselves to the bone marrow. It is the ultimate irony for it to be run by utterly toxic, predatory types.

MAY 17, 2017

 

PFFree
Hi Maria. Thanks for responding. I can’t say with 100% assurance that there are multiple personas on PF but there were too many similarities in the personas I did find. I sent my suspicions to another couple of members of PF and they took a look at the ‘people’ in question and felt there was more similarity than not. There are always ways around being identified as having sock-puppet accounts in the form of proxy websites which serve to disguise the IP address of the recipients so that’s one way round being detected by those on the site I would imagine.

I will confess that I fell for the initial feelgood factor of PF and I thought the world of the admins and mods until I got my telling off which frankly was way out of line and all proportion. That was my wake-up call and then I began to see a great deal of injustice happening there. Not all the time, only usually now and then but it was always the same people behind it. I can’t say all the admins/mods were nasty. One of them, Indie I think their name was, was always perfectly fine and friendly.

What I didn’t like was the almost sycophantic manner in which people approached Peace. When he was online and let’s say he Liked a post or added a thread then the fawning that went on relating to that made my stomach curdle. It was as if he was king of the world or something. The guru of PF. I never liked that aspect at all, I can’t say my entire time at PF was a waste because I met some great people there however I knew my time was finite when I began working out in advance what I was going to say lest some or all of the higher ups became offended in some ways and reacted because of it. I wanted on many occasions to stick up for those being bullied and badgered but I knew I would be banned. That’s no good at all. I regret not doing so though. I should have done. Alas, I have to live with that.

MAY 17, 2017

 

mary edwards
I was banned. For sharing my honest thoughts about a moderator. Banned.after three years.

MAY 17, 2017

 

mary edwards
I simply disagreed with the brow beating of another member. And stated my perception with clear rational and logical evidence of extremely nasty toxic comments by the moderator. I was banned immediately after three years .

MAY 17, 2017

 

Maria
They do it all the time (banning long term members instantly, after one incident). In the end I assume they will have very few members left (those who are utterly devoted to them).

MAY 17, 2017

 

Maria
Many people here have likened that to the way psychopaths behave, discarding others without consideration, burning all bridges. Which exposes what the power dynamics were in the first place.

MAY 17, 2017

 

PFFree
That’s terrible Mary. Shocking behaviour. I think what goes on there is disgraceful. I hope you have a supportive network of people around you Mary. I would hate to think you have been left in the lurch because of your recent banning. They’re too trigger happy. They forget that the people they oust might actually need to be with others who are experiencing similar issues and as PF doesn’t like people to meet up or exchange details then often times these people become isolated again.

MAY 17, 2017

 

Maria
That was one of my major issues with them as well, not allowing people to communicate freely, besides the fact that members were permanently on borrowed time, since anything could set the ‘team’ off.

MAY 17, 2017

 

PFFree
It’s a very controlling place. The more I read about PF here and in the Comments section the more I realize that I was completely duped right from the outset. I went to PF to get away from targeted abuse and although I wasn’t targeted in the sense that I was banned or railroaded out of the site I can see that PF was simply an extension of what I had come to know at that point in my life.

Another person (Sandra) commented on a thread here that while she was at PF she began to isolate herself more and more from others because she saw psychopaths everywhere and that’s how I became. I genuinely do believe that I was dealing with a P however I can’t help thinking that maybe some of the others in my life who I had labelled P’s might just have been cruel nasty people who exhibited P type traits and maybe weren’t P’s or N’s in a clinical sense at all.

PF really doesn’t like it if you move on too quickly. There is a kind of one size fits everyone mentality whereby recovery takes a set amount of time and if you recover more quickly then you’re being unwise. I think for a lot of them they would like it if everyone just remained single and miserable for all time rather than venturing back out into the world and being happy. In the time since I last went to the site I too (like Sandra) have begun to see the world in a rosier, happier light and I don’t think because that person has said this or this person has said that that perhaps they are P’s. I just stick with the good kind people who make up the majority of people in the world. PF kept me trapped, living in the shadows when I could have been out there embracing the light.

MAY 17, 2017

 

Maria
I know; I remember their reaction to the enthusiasm I had about starting over again and meeting new people to form deep bonds with; they claimed it would be unwise, that I would end up being targeted again (although since I realised I never had been in the first place). That can push a person down and make them doubt their capacity do deal with life or interpret people’s behaviour accurately. Apparently wanting to move on in every way, without reservations, is ‘rushing’ and ‘unwise’.

MAY 17, 2017

 

mary edwards
No. I won\’t isolate. They had me going. Today. In was like. Wait a minute. One of the moderators who had a brief emotional affair with a psychopath banned a women who just got out of a 25 year marriage to a psycho. As the moderator of course is an expert and thusbperson challengenged her authority. Today suddenly. I was like. Omg. These people .PF are actually taking advantage of others ..exploiting them. I can\’t explain it. But I KNEW. Very toxic community where no one is allowed to have any genuine conversations about anything. As long as people stuck to the agenda. Bashing cluster b.and never overcome the anger. They are welcome there.I am glad to be PF free.

MAY 17, 2017

 

Maria
Not only do they tell members why the alleged psychos behaved the way they did, even for decades (without knowing them or having a clue), but they interpret behaviour in real time as well and that can affect the decisions members make. ‘Do this, don’t do that’, ‘this is what he/she really thinks’ etc. And members take all the improvisation as if it came straight out of a laboratory, with no guarantees whatsoever that it’s anything but projection or a wild guess.

MAY 17, 2017

 

Mary edwards
Look. I am gonna be real honest. A memebr who loves in an impoversihed country. But has a job. Was crticized..for choosing her job. Over not advertising. Becuase her ex psycho was occassionally. Emailing her advertisment. They actually suggested. She find a new job. These people live in a pink pretty bubble. I was furious. They said her reasons f9r not advertising where nothing but blah blah balh. I was like..look. assholes. She has a child to feed. She isnt a pretty pink boy holding s teddy bear..who makes hundreds of thousands of dollars. Becuase at 21 someone broke his heart. She lives in reality. I g9t banned becuase these people live in lala land. Some 9f 7s g9tta do what we gotta do. To pay bills. Take care of oir kids. Peace doesnt even have kids…and moderat0rs. Who knows. And its bullshit that they are non profit. They are making a pretty penny. Sitting all day. Judging peoples real lives. Wisdom. No. They have none. Its all bullshit. They lure people with a pretty promise..with a pretty boy. Who has not lived much life AT all. And then they begin to condition people to theor ridiculous belief system. Yes. Psychopaths exist. But do i beleive any of them truly met one…no. becuase once you do. Reality is ALL most people want after the psychoapth. Ra8nbows butterflies and unicorns is a fairy tale. Stay away from this forum. My advice.

MAY 18, 2017

 

Maria
They are on auto pilot. Real life or its implications no longer matters. I feel sorry for the people who took their advice and made radical decisions based only on that; I hope it worked out well for them in the end.

MAY 19, 2017

 

Mary edwards
Sorry for spelling erros. My ipad is cracked. And fyi. I was called publically a disorderd person. By a memebr becuase i didnt pm them quickly enough..becuase i make spelling errors. Publically. I am as far from disordered as person can be. And they let it go..rule 8. You may not call anyone disordered publocally. They said nothing. Becuase i am out spoken. And do not beleive bullshot advice. I get it.

MAY 18, 2017

 

Maria
Don’t worry about it. It’s still legible. I once had a laptop where the keyboard did not coincide with the key order in the system and sometimes had to guess which keys to press to get it right; not much fun. But they do call other people disordered all the time, by default; those people are just not registered on the forum. Unfortunately, they also do it to those who are. Many ex members recounted being called names and attributed disorders in the middle of being booted.

MAY 19, 2017

 

Mary edwards
This memebr said i gave her ST. When i didnt reapond right away. Teality. I was moving my disabled mom into her home. And workimg a gazillion hours to pay for that move. But this memebr. Who talked to me all of a few times. KNEW. Her truth was rignt. I was disordered. I couldnt beleive it.

MAY 18, 2017

 

Maria
Just shows their dependency on the site and how if someone is too busy in real life they must be giving them the silent treatment. Cultsy, all right. As if you were trapped in the PF universe and had to live according to their rules or needs 24 hours a day. Actually, as far as I know, people with BPD can’t stand the feeling of not being responded to by someone, even for a short while. I’m not saying it’s the case – it’s just odd to accuse a stranger of purposefully giving you the silent treatment or gaslighting you, for no apparent reason.

MAY 19, 2017

 

Mary edwards
What iwas discovering more and more. Most people there. Could not emtionally handle simple basic human fallacy. We all do the best we can. To them. Any imperfection..meant disordered. You had your own opnion. Or god forbid. Didnt like smitten nasty. You were disordered. Its a sick place. Sadly. With alot of narrccists..who truly beleive. Anyone who doesnt curtsy to their perfect image of themselves MUST be disordered.

MAY 18, 2017

 

Mary edwards
I uad one moderator tell me HER i tuition about my life was to be trusted. Need i say more. Talk about omniscience..she KNOWS my private and personal relationship with my own guidnace better then me.

MAY 18, 2017

 

Maria
There must be some sort of power trip involved. Members still think that advice carries some value. The venting space might be useful in the moment yet becomes detrimental very quickly, when those who listen have a self-serving agenda. There is little to no possibility of making real life connections with other good people who happen to be there, so basically, there’s no advantage to being on PF whatsoever.

MAY 19, 2017

 

PFFree
“There is little to no possibility of making real life connections with other good people who happen to be there, so basically, there’s no advantage to being on PF whatsoever.”

I agree. There are many people on PF who I miss talking with and will never speak with again. I remember you on PF Mary (I won’t give away your moniker but I remembered your posts and liked who you were as a person) and we won’t be able to remain in touch aside from here. It’s a very closed off system and yes you must always spout the party line and you must never have your own thoughts, feelings or opinions. I was sucked into the PF way of thinking to a greater extent however there were some quite disgusting goings on on the site which I always saw for what they were and certain people I avoided like the plague if I saw they were about. The only advantage that I can see about being on PF is the realization that it’s an evil place run largely by twisted people and then getting the hell out of there. That of course takes an amount of self-esteem which gradually gets eroded when you’re there so many won’t make the leap away from the site and instead will stay there to be absorbed into the toxicity.

MAY 20, 2017

 

Mary edwards
It is also important to note. Peace is now writing about bad self..bad other. Hmm. Projection? I never saw anything about me as bad. I experienced myself as just human. Which is why I didn’t see bad others. He did. And now. A whole bunch of people are hooked on HIS reality. Not their own. And it makes me sick.

MAY 18, 2017

 

Maria
Exactly. I think the ‘one size fits all mentality’ is very dangerous; it’s an easy answer and very limiting, especially when people end up dragging others into their version of reality instead of just listening.

MAY 19, 2017

 

Lisa
Way to go Smitten Kitten and crazy PF. F***, those people are weird!

MAY 20, 2017

 

Maria
I know… Crazy is the word.

MAY 20, 2017